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I am really tired of reading all the leftist hate about how President Bush is allegedly "responsible" for the damage caused by hurricane Katrina.

I think we all know how the left would react if someone on the right declared the above headline to be the reason behind all the devastation. Yet they cannot see how they themselves look when they claim that "global warming" not only caused the hurricane, but it could have been stopped if only President Bush hadn't "torn up" the Kyoto treaty (which was never passed by Congress, but never mind that). How it is somehow President Bush's fault that the state of Louisiana and/or the city of New Orleans didn't upgrade their own levees (all problems stem from a lack of Federal funding). How, even though Homeland Defense/FEMA funding has been vastly increased under President Bush (more than doubling since 2002), it is all his fault that FEMA directors didn't make upgrading of the New Orleans region a priority. Perhaps if he had tripled the budget they would have gotten around to it?

Let's see what the FY2005 budget had in it for disaster relief, shall we?
When a major disaster strikes, assistance is necessary to meet the emergency needs of families and individuals, and to help pay for the rebuilding and repair of critical community infrastructure. DHS has continued to assist States in response and recovery after a disaster. In 2003, there were 62 major disasters and 19 emergencies, in addition to the continued response to previous disasters. This included recovery of the Space Shuttle Columbia, response to the Northeast blackouts, and relief from Hurricane Isabel and the California wildfires. The 2005 Budget provides $2.9 billion for disaster relief—a level consistent with the average non-terrorist disaster costs over the past five years. This includes over $2 billion in new funds, which is over $300 million more than the 2004 appropriation, as well as money expected to remain available from prior years.

Gosh, no cuts there. Indeed, the vast majority of disaster relief funds are provided through supplemental spending bills after a disaster has been declared.

And
The Department continues to work towards protecting people and property from damage due to disasters. The Pre-disaster Mitigation program, which helps to minimize the devastation caused by natural disasters, will continue to support well-designed mitigation projects through a competitive grant process. Additionally, DHS is working to replace and modernize the Nation's Flood Insurance Rate Maps.

Gee, look that. Modernizing the flood insurance rate maps so everyone would know where the greatest need was for improved flood control. Why, that just proves that President Bush is a heartless bastard!

And just how much money are we talking about? In 2004 spending was $3.8 billion. Estimates for FY2005 at the time were for $5.6 billion in spending. But what about the Corps of Engineers, allegedly the subject of massive funding cuts? FY2004 spending was $4.6 billion, projected spending for 2005: $4.7 billion.

I don't know about the left, but that sure looks like an increase of $1.8 billion for disaster relief and $100 million for the Corps of Engineers to me.

And...what's this?! The west bank of the Mississippi in Louisiana listed as a priority for the Corps of Engineers?! That can't possibly be true! Oh, but it is.
Flood/Storm Damage Reduction. The Budget provides $450 million to continue progress on flood damage reduction projects, including projects in Sims Bayou, Texas, and West Bank, Louisiana.


Gosh, that changes things a bit, doesn't it? Apparently the left is simply telling a bunch of lies. I am shocked, shocked I say to discover that. (Don't they realize how ridiculous they sound?)

Doesn't it make you glad that you are too smart to be a liberal and too honest to be a Democrat?
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topi From: [info]topi Date: September 1st, 2005 10:43 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Oh, but the 'tards weren't that silent I'm unhappy to report...

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html


I hate the fanatics of the Left and the Right...total bastards...
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 10:48 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: Oh, but the 'tards weren't that silent I'm unhappy to report...

You knew someone was going to say something like that!

Hopefully the people on both extremes will see how silly they look/sound when they say things like that.
topi From: [info]topi Date: September 1st, 2005 10:55 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: Oh, but the 'tards weren't that silent I'm unhappy to report...

Look in my LJ...I have a comment from a leftard on the matter also...these fringes amaze me with their sheer ignorance.
izuko From: [info]izuko Date: September 1st, 2005 11:35 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: Oh, but the 'tards weren't that silent I'm unhappy to report...

You knew it was going to happen, but I still don't like seeing that someone actually went and did it.

You know, if God was going to strike an entire city off the map, NYC, LA, and DC would be long gone.

You know... that just tells me I need to avoid cities commonly known by just their initials.
lima_pcp From: [info]lima_pcp Date: September 1st, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: Oh, but the 'tards weren't that silent I'm unhappy to report...

My favorites are the ones who are blaming SUV's for hurricane strength.
supedujour From: [info]supedujour Date: September 1st, 2005 11:28 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
They are also going to claim the 2006 had flood proofing budget cuts regarding the corps of engineers project for NOLA. It's true, there were budget cuts on that, but not for the levees, but 3 different bridges that the state should have taken care of theselves.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 11:43 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Not to mention that budget proposals are just that, and what is actually appropriated and then spent by Congress remains to be seen.

I think we in the Ohio-Pennsylvania area should demand the rest of the nation pay taxes so we can do something with Lake Erie. I'm not sure what, but give us the money and we'll spend it!
kc_anathema From: [info]kc_anathema Date: September 1st, 2005 11:38 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Dude, you rock...it's so good to finally see a counter to those accusations. Man, it's weird to say 'finally' to an accusation not even two days old.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 11:47 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Consider it an early birthday present. ;)
star_sign From: [info]star_sign Date: September 1st, 2005 12:15 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Oh, and the argument that Katrina was caused by global warming turns out to be a bucket of tripe as well. From the New York TImes, no less:

August 30, 2005
Storms Vary With Cycles, Experts Say
By KENNETH CHANG
Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global warming.

But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught “is very much natural,” said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane season.

From 1970 to 1994, the Atlantic was relatively quiet, with no more than three major hurricanes in any year and none at all in three of those years. Cooler water in the North Atlantic strengthened wind shear, which tends to tear storms apart before they turn into hurricanes.

In 1995, hurricane patterns reverted to the active mode of the 1950’s and 60’s. From 1995 to 2003, 32 major hurricanes, with sustained winds of 111 miles per hour or greater, stormed across the Atlantic. It was chance, Dr. Gray said, that only three of them struck the United States at full strength.

Historically, the rate has been 1 in 3.

Then last year, three major hurricanes, half of the six that formed during the season, hit the United States. A fourth, Frances, weakened before striking Florida.

“We were very lucky in that eight-year period, and the luck just ran out,” Dr. Gray said.

Global warming may eventually intensify hurricanes somewhat, though different climate models disagree.

In an article this month in the journal Nature, Kerry A. Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote that global warming might have already had some effect. The total power dissipated by tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic and North Pacific increased 70 to 80 percent in the last 30 years, he wrote.

But even that seemingly large jump is not what has been pushing the hurricanes of the last two years, Dr. Emanuel said, adding, “What we see in the Atlantic is mostly the natural swing.”
topi From: [info]topi Date: September 1st, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I'll bet the New Traitor Times buried this in the classified! HAHAHAHHA
sirensong984 From: [info]sirensong984 Date: September 1st, 2005 01:35 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
if i can't blame Clinton for 9/11, they can't blame Bush for Katrina.
bmogroupie From: [info]bmogroupie Date: September 1st, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
i'm very glad you posted this.
i'll be showing it to a few people who i think need to see it :-)
hunterkirk From: [info]hunterkirk Date: September 1st, 2005 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Very well said.. thanks for the links I am tempted to post them on my journal. Isn't it funny that the democrat use lies to push their goals, repeating them over and over and over till people start to beleave them.
From: [info]nyguen9 Date: September 1st, 2005 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Yeah its kinda like "They have WMDs." and "We're making lots of progress."

But yes, these are excellent links. Too many people try scientific vernacular to go over people's understanding.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 07:39 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Saddam did have WMD, just not stockpiles. According to David Kay, he also had every intention of reconstituting those programs once the inspections were ended. Give his successful bribing of much of the UN, that appeared to be a very likely event before the United States and her allies liberated Iraq.
ctstalker From: [info]ctstalker Date: September 1st, 2005 04:13 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Hey, have you heard about the outpouring of support for our disaster Europe and Asia?

Oh, wait, there is none.

Oh, but you must have heard about the telethon the celebrities are organizing for their country, like they did for the tsunami victoms...oh... wait...

But oh noes the gas prices! $5 more for a fill up! I've heard more people talk about the gas prices and how much more it's costing then I have about the people who have been uprooted and lost absolutely everything and have no idea where they'll be living tommorrow.

reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 07:44 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I know! People need to get some perspective.

And speaking of perspective, I hope everyone who is complaining about high gas prices is petitioning their governor to build a gas refinery in their state.
bull From: [info]bull Date: September 1st, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
As much as I hate to admit it...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html

And Fox, CBS, and NBC are planing a join telethon.
From: [info]nyguen9 Date: September 2nd, 2005 01:05 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Bush turned down support from Canada. I think it was workers and troops.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 2nd, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
He also turned down support from Remulak.

But in this universe the administration stated it welcomes support from anyone who wants to provide it.
From: [info]nyguen9 Date: September 2nd, 2005 10:23 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
*blink*

Remember you're behind. I posted that earlier before they told them to send it to the red cross. But yes, now that's true.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 2nd, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I am behind who/what?
From: [info]nyguen9 Date: September 2nd, 2005 11:27 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
*sigh* Time wise. I had posted that right after the aid was seemingly ignored. BUT now it is being accepted now that Condi decided to leave NYC.

But its good to let people who may be reading this late to know that, so thanks. I wish lj would get on editing comments...
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 3rd, 2005 11:00 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
lol

The only reports I saw claiming help was being decline were attributed to anonymous sources. Maybe we should ask Dan Rather about that.
mrbogey From: [info]mrbogey Date: September 1st, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
FWIW from a resident of the area. Chalmette and New Orleans were very blue. Sickenly blue. Slidell was the only refuge for any Democrat in St. Tammany. Those were the 3 hardest hit cities here.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I think it will stay blue. There are about 25,000 people who have just become permanent wards of the state, IMO. They'll never get out from under the burden of having to rely on the government to provide everything they need.

One of Rush's listeners pointed out that the Democrats have the means to get these people to the polls but somehow couldn't find the means to bus them a few miles to higher ground.

Just what were the priorities of the Democrat controlled local governments?
ruthlilycat From: [info]ruthlilycat Date: September 1st, 2005 08:02 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Hammer will you x-post this to [info]jewish_gop?

I just checked and you're not a member???

Oh goodness, please pick up your membership here:

http://www.livejournal.com/manage/invites.bml

:)

reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 1st, 2005 11:19 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Certainly!
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 2nd, 2005 11:52 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
The gov't of New Orleans has totally broken down. It looks almost like Somalia over there with more water. The mayor is compeltely irrelevant to the rescue situation now. The state isn't moving anything into the city and you'd swear they have no intention of doing anything to restore the law and evacuate refugees.

Bush will have to step in PDQ to help New Orleans because the ocals and state have totally given up or at least doing a good ob making it seem like they can't.

Contrast it with my parish. The locals cleared most the roads and was re-establishing daily activities without the state even raising a finger.
jwirenius From: [info]jwirenius Date: September 1st, 2005 08:07 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)

A dissentient note

With respect, I think that your statistics don't paint the full picture. The 2001-2004 budgets brought about a massive--44.2%--cut in the amounts allocated to flood prevention in Louisiana and the reduction of National Guard availability has been suggested by several governors--from both parties--to hinder their ability to respond to natural disasters. (I've rounded up my sources and links on my own LJ, and won't clutter yours up with them).

Those on the left who claim the hurricane is somehow the Administration's "fault" are wrong--Bush doesn't command the storms, of course, and I share your skepticism that Katrina was caused by global warming.

But policies have consequences, sometimes terrible, that are unintended. Just as the inadequate lifeboat requirements in 1912 played a role in the inability of the crew of RMS Titanic to deal with the crisis, so too the GOP policies impacted the ability to respond to this storm.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 2nd, 2005 01:07 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: A dissentient note

The 2001-2004 budgets brought about a massive--44.2%--cut in the amounts allocated to flood prevention in Louisiana

Cite? I've seen the budgets, have you?

It has yet to be seen whether response to Katrina is better or worse than pervious natural disasters, but early reports are that immediate response has been better than it was for Andrew or even latter storms such as Ivan.
jwirenius From: [info]jwirenius Date: September 2nd, 2005 01:32 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: A dissentient note

My cites for FY 2001-2004 are already on my LJ, which you have commented on. Your cites to the budgets are to FY 2005 and 2004, and therefore are not inconsistent with mine. If you have grounds to believe my facts are in error, do let me know.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 2nd, 2005 11:10 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: A dissentient note

I wouldn't be surprised to see a decrease during that time period as funding went way up after the floods in the upper midwest in 1997 and 2001.

However, what I see for FY2005 are increases, especially in grants to the states.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 2nd, 2005 01:44 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)

Re: A dissentient note

The 2001-2004 budgets brought about a massive--44.2%--cut in the amounts allocated to flood prevention in Louisiana

Cite? I've seen the budgets, have you? I've seen the wetlands around New Orleans specifically cited as a priority for the Army Corp of Engineers, have you? Whining about the levees around New Orleans is Monday Morning Quarterbacking at its worst. The levees were never designed to stop a storm surge of that strength. New Orleans and Louisiana could have taken care of that themselves, but obviously felt there were other priorities for state spending. Remind me again who controls New Orleans and the state government in Louisiana? That's right, they are Democrats. The same Democrats who didn't think providing a means for the urban poor to evacuate the city was a priority.

It has yet to be seen whether response to Katrina is better or worse than pervious natural disasters, but early reports are that immediate response has been better than it was for Andrew or even latter storms such as Ivan.

We'll know in time where things could have been improved. Pointing fingers while the dead remain unburied is simply politics at its worst.
gunslnger From: [info]gunslnger Date: September 3rd, 2005 01:31 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Maybe if you provided your sources you'd be more believable. As it is, you're just ranting. Read some real info on the issue if you want to be more informed.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 3rd, 2005 11:15 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I did cite my sources. I always do.

Perhaps you should learn how to read (or at least operate a browswer).

It's pretty funny that you ignore actual budgets and attempt to cite a biased opinion site like KOS as a reputable source.
gunslnger From: [info]gunslnger Date: September 4th, 2005 05:54 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
Yes, someone else pointed out that you had a link to the ACE budget. Note that it was not obvious, especially with your color scheme and you linked it to "it is", which doesn't in any way imply a link. It looked like it was just emphasized. Maybe you should learn how to present information if you want people to listen to you.

I have no idea whether the site I linked is biased or not, which means that it's not obvious from reading it, which is good, as opposed to reading your spiel, which was obviously biased. Everyone has a bias anyways, so it doesn't matter, but showing where you get your info from goes a long way. Maybe you should consider trying it sometime.
gunslnger From: [info]gunslnger Date: September 3rd, 2005 12:14 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I guess it's nice to be able to count on your audience not ever doing any fact checking. All that conservative talk radio really drills that into you, doesn't it?

You make this little quote here:

Flood/Storm Damage Reduction. The Budget provides $450 million to continue progress on flood damage reduction projects, including projects in Sims Bayou, Texas, and West Bank, Louisiana.

However, this is completely meaningless to your claim that the Army Corps of Engineers had enough money in the FY2005 budget, which you linked to. If you actually read through the budget, you'll see that $37 million was allocated to the West Bank of the Mississippi in LA, and that only $50 million total was allocated for flood control in general. When the Corps is saying they need $200 million to finish the project, $37 million just isn't going to cut it.

Apparently, the right tells just as many lies as the left. And this makes me glad that I'm smarter and more honest than liberals, Democrats, conservatives and Republicans.
reality_hammer From: [info]reality_hammer Date: September 3rd, 2005 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link to this entry)
What are you babbling about? The fact that ignorant people like you can post here should be evidence enough that I can stand behind what I say.

However, this is completely meaningless to your claim that the Army Corps of Engineers had enough money in the FY2005 budget

I never used the term "enough" because it is subjective. I simply proved that funding had increased and thus there could have been no "cuts" to the Corp, as alleged by the left.

In your prior post you claimed I didn't cite my sources. Is your quoting my quote your special way of admitting that I do indeed cite my sources?

And I obviously read the budget, that's how I know that the total for flood control was $322 million, as it includes not only the west bank of the Mississippie but also coastal regions and the entire length of rivers like the Mississippi.

Next time try addressing what I say instead of what you think I said, or what left-wing talking points tell you to say.

As for being smarter than someone, you can't even outsmart yourself. Try again.
gunslnger From: [info]gunslnger Date: September 4th, 2005 06:07 am (UTC) (Link to this entry)
I never used the term "enough" because it is subjective.

Your entire post was conveying the point that you thought they had enough money and that anyone saying that they didn't was full of hogwash. Oh sure, you don't say it explicitly so that you can back down when confronted with evidence, but you said it clearly enough. I don't know what "the left" (whoever that is) alleges, but it's pretty clear from the budget you linked to (yes, I did eventually find it) that they did not get the funding that was needed for the projects that had to be done.

And now you're citing yet another number that is inaccurate. I already quoted what the budget said. In your post, you said $450 million. Now you say $322 million. Also, you say that they got $100 million more money this year. The budget doesn't show that anywhere. The budget for flood control decreased every year as well as their overall budget.

I have only addressed exactly what you said. I don't know any left-wing talking points.
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12
4
1
1
3
2
2
1
1
13
2
2
1
1
2
4
1
1
1
1
2
1
4
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
17
1
3
1
1
2
1
8
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
14
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
5
5
6
8
1
1
1
1
10
1
2
1
1
7
1
6
1
8
4
2
7
1
1
1
1
3
2
2
10
2
3
1
236
7
1
6
1
2
1
1
1
4
28
1
1
4
1
1
1
1
3
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
5
1
5
4
1
19
2
4
6
32
1
3
4
1
1
1
1
3
3
2
1
2
2
1
10
2
5
2
7
7
4
4
129
1
30
2
13
3
1
1
3
1
12
3
1
1
8
1
1
1
2
1
1
3
1
2
1
5
3
28
1
3
1
3
2
10
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
3
1
1
1
3
1
1
10
1
1
2
37
2
16
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
5
1
1
4
1
1
1
2
1
2
19
3
1
1
1
1
2
18
1
3
1
2
1
16
1
6
1
1
2
4
1
1
2
1
5
3
1
1
7
1
2
5
60